October 1, 2026 3:41 am EDT
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This as-told-to essay is based on a conversation with Josh Hou, 22, who left his job as an investment banking analyst at Evercore to co-found Ren, an app that helps users determine how specific interventions, like specific supplements, are affecting their health by running experiments on the body. This interview has been edited for length and clarity.

As an investment banking analyst at Evercore, sleep was by far the most common subject of conversation. Not sleeping was almost like a badge of honor. It proved you were working on the coolest deals. Some of us relied on caffeine, others on nicotine, which made it harder to stay healthy overall.

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